‘The Five’ reacts to Trump, Taliban peace talks breaking down


THIS IS “THE FIVE” .” ♪ ♪>>Dana: PEACE TALKS WITH THE TALIBAN ARE CANCELED. TRUMP CANCELED. TRUMP, PULLING THE PLUG AFTER TALIBAN LEADERS CLAIM RESPONSIBILITY FOR AN ATTACK THAT KILLED A U.S. SOLDIER AND 11 OTHERS. THE TALLY BAND, RESPONDING TO THE PRESIDENT’S MOVE BY THREATENING MORE AMERICANS WILL DIE AS A RESULT. LET’S WATCH.>>IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE PRESIDENT TREATING FOREIGN POLICY LOOK AT SOME KIND OF GAME SHOW.>>DONALD TRUMP IS NOT AFRAID TO WALK AWAY FROM A BAD DEAL.>>THIS IS THE WORST PRESIDENT WHEN IT COMES TO NEGOTIATING. IT’S MORE OF HIS ERRATIC BEHAVIOR THAT PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF.>>I THINK THE PRESIDENT WAS RIGHT TO CANCEL THE MEETING. I THINK WHAT HE’S TRYING TO DO IS FULFILL A CAMPAIGN PROMISE.>>FOR THE U.S. TO MEET WITH THE TALIBAN AND NOT HAVE THE LEADER OF AFGHANISTAN TO MEET WITH THE TALIBAN AM, IT’S SOMETHING THAT’S DOOMED TO FAILURE.>>Dana: PRESIDENT TRUMP, CALLING OFF FUTURE TALKS WITH THE TALIBAN, AND DEFENDED TRYING TO HAVE THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.>>President Trump: THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY HAD TO KILL PEOPLE TO PUT THEMSELVES IN A LITTLE BETTER NEGOTIATING POSITION. YOU CAN’T DO THAT. YOU CAN’T DO THAT WITH ME. THAT’S IT AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED. I LIKE THE IDEA OF MEETING. I’VE MET WITH A LOT OF BAD PEOPLE AND A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE DURING THE COURSE OF THE LAST ALMOST THREE YEARS. I THINK MEETING IS A GREAT THING. I THINK THAT MEETING WITH, YOU KNOW, YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT WAR. THERE ARE MEETINGS WITH WAR OTHERWISE WARS WOULD NEVER END. YOU’D HAVE THEM GO ON FOREVER. WE HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED. IT WAS MY IDEA AND IT WAS MY IDEA TO TERMINATE IT.>>Dana: HE IS THE DECIDER. THE TELE- BAND WAS SET UP FOR AN INCREDIBLE PROPAGANDA OPPORTUNITY AT CAMP DAVID. THEY BLEW IT. SO THEIR ARROGANCE MIGHT HAVE DONE THEM IN, BUT MAYBE THAT’S GOOD.>>A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE ATTACKS WERE HAPPENING AT A PRETTY STEADY BASIS. WE WERE ATTACKING THEM TOO. WE CAN MOVE ABOUT A THOUSAND PEOPLE OVER THE LAST MONTH. I THINK THE TALIBAN WAS GETTING A LITTLE BELLIGERENT. THE PRESIDENT SAID THAT HE WANTED TO MEET WITH THE TALIBAN. THEY WANTED TO GO HAVE A CEREMONY, SAYING, HEY, LOOK WHAT I DID. THE PRESIDENT SAID, HEY I DON’T WANT A CELEBRATION. I WANT TO LOOK THESE GUYS IN THE EYE AND SEE IF THEY ARE SERIOUS ABOUT TAKING THE NEXT STEP. IT WAS HIS IDEA TO GO TO CAMP DAVID. IT WAS POMPEO WHO PUT THE TALKS TOGETHER. THEY ARE NOT READY TO TALK PEAC PEACE. THEY WERE ALREADY SUCCESSFUL. THAT WAS THE TALK IN BETWEEN SESSIONS. CLEARLY THEY DID.>>Dana: JUSTLY, THERE ARE TWO NARRATIVES. THIS WAR HAS GONE ON TOO LONG. WE THINK THIS IS THE WAY FORWARD. THE TALIBAN WAS BASICALLY SAYING, WE HAVE RUN OFF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AREN’T WE GREAT. THOSE TWO THINGS WERE NEVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO REMAIN WITHOUT COLLIDING AT SOME POINT.>>Jesse: I DON’T LIKE THE SYMBOLISM OF THE TALIBAN COMING TO CAMP DAVID. IT’S HALLOWED GROUND. THESE PEOPLE ARE BARBARIC. THEY MAKE KIM JONG UN LOOK TAME. THEY PERSONALLY COMMIT ATROCITIES. THEY PERSONALLY DO HORRIBLE HORRIBLE THINGS. YOU CAN’T EVEN SAY THEM HERE ON TELEVISION. SO TO GIVE THEM THAT CAMP DAVID PLATFORM I THINK WAS A BAD IDEA AND I’M GLAD THE PRESIDENT CANCELED IT. WE HAVE HAD BAD GUYS AT CAMP DAVID BEFORE. I UNDERSTAND THE PRESIDENT WANTING TO WITHDRAW FROM AFGHANISTAN. ALL POWERS EVENTUALLY FIGHT THERE AND THEN THEY LEAVE. WE JUST WANT TO LEAVE ON HER OWN TERMS AND I BELIEVE HIS STRATEGISTS WERE TRYING TO LOCK THOSE TERMS IN SO THEY COULD LEAVE WITH SOME SENSE OF ACCOMPLISHMENT. BUT ALSO, NOT JUST LEAVE AFGHANISTAN FOR TERRORISTS TO RECONSTITUTE THEMSELVES AND MAKE ATTACKS HERE. WANT TO BE A LONG PROCESS AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO END THIS WAR AND SPENT THE TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WE ARE SPENDING THERE, HAVE IT SPENT HERE.>>Dana: ONE OF THE THINGS, IS THAT THEY REFUSED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE TALIBAN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11.>>Juan: WE HAVEN’T SET IT, BUT THIS WEEK IS THE ANNIVERSAR ANNIVERSARY. I THINK IT’S NOW AT 18 YEARS SINCE 9/11. THE IDEA THAT THE PRESIDENT WOULD INVITE THESE PEOPLE, WHO WERE THE HOST FOR THE TERRORISTS WHO ATTACKED TO COME TO THIS COUNTRY. I FIND THAT INCREDIBLE. I DON’T THINK THAT WAS POMPEO. IT WAS THE PRESIDENT. NO. I THINK YOU ARE SAYING, HEY, WAIT. THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE PUTTING THINGS TOGETHER. I THINK HE’S THE GUY. HE’S THE GUY. HE APPROVED OF THIS IDEA, WHICH I FIND — ‘S BEFORE THERE WAS A HUGE OUTRAGE AGAINST THAT. I DON’T THINK PEOPLE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WAS NOT THE RIGHT TIME.>>Juan: BOOK, I JUST THINK THERE’S A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SAYING, WE ARE GOING TO PUT PEOPLE ON TRIAL, VERSUS WHAT WE SAW HERE, WHICH IS BRING THEM IN.>>Jesse: I AGREE. I DON’T THINK IT WAS THE RIGHT PLACE TO DO IT. I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT US OVER. I THINK TRUMP HAS THE RIGHT INSTINCT THERE. BUT WHEN YOU STOP AND THINK ABOUT THE IDEA THAT YOU ARE GIVING CREDIBILITY TO PEOPLE FOR TERRORISTS AND THEY DON’T EVEN HAVE A DEAL WITH THE GOVERNMENT. THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT. YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THE SOVIETS PULLED BACK. IT JUST LED TO CHAOS AND MORE TERRORISTS TAKING ROOT THERE. HOW CAN WE INVITE THESE GUYS WHEN WE ARE SAYING TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE FLEEING THE BAHAMAS AND THE DEVASTATION, OH, YOU CAN’T COME HERE. THAT’S AN OUTRAGE.>>Dana: THOSE ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. I WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE INVESTMENT AND RETURN ON INVESTMENT THAT WE HAVE ACHIEVED OVER THE LAST 18 YEARS. THE ABILITY FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO GO TO SCHOOL AND NOT BE AFRAID FOR THEIR LIVES, EVEN THOUGH THAT’S NOT TRUE ACROSS THE BOARD. AND ALSO, TO BE ABLE TO PREVENT AL QAEDA FROM BEING ABLE TO ATTACK US FROM THERE. THAT HAS PAID OFFENSE SOME WAY. BECAUSE IF YOU PULL OFF OF AFGHANISTAN, YOU EXPOSE THE U.S. PART OF IT MAY BE TO ACCEPT THE FIGHT AGAINST ISLAMIC TERRORISM WOULD BE A MULTIGENERATIONAL STRUGGLE AROUND THE WORLD. BETTER TO STAY ON OFFENSE THEN TO RETREAT TO PLAYING DEFENSE ON AMERICA’S. FAR BETTER TO HAVE MUSLIM ALLIES ON OUR SIDE. MISSILE ATTACKS DO NOT STOP AL QAEDA. TO JESSE’S POINT, I KNOW A LOT OF AMERICANS PROBABLY WENT, “OH HELL NO.”>>ALL THE PRESIDENT HAS TO DO IS SAY, I’M GOING TO DRAW DOWN, BUT I CAN’T PULL OUT, BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT HAPPENED IN IRAQ. I FINISH IT IN 2017. I GOT ASKED TO BECOME SECRETARY OF DEFENSE. HE SAID, THEY TOLD VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND HIS DIGNITARIES, THEY SAID, IF YOU PULL OUT, THERE’S AN AL QAEDA GROUP READY TO MOVE IN. THEY PULLED OUT ANYWAY. WHEN THE PRESIDENT PULLS OUT, HE’S NOT NOT SAYING I WANT TO DUMB TAKE OVER THE COUNTRY. THAT GIVES US AN IDEA OF WHAT’S HAPPENING ON THE GROUND LOVE AL QAEDA AND ALL THE TERRORIST ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GOING ACROSS THE PAKISTAN AFGHANI BORDER. IF YOU WANT TO GET MORE ALLIES INVOLVED, ABSOLUTELY. BUT THE PRESIDENT JUST EXPLAINED THAT IT’S NOT ABOUT AFGHANISTAN. IT’S ABOUT A SPYGLASS INTO THE TERROR NETWORKS THAT ARE EXISTING AND THRIVING THERE. WE GET COUNTLESS BENEFITS FROM BEING THERE AND UNDERSTANDING HOW THEY OPERATE.>>Jesse: THAT’S AN IMPORTANT POINT IS THAT YOU WERE LEAVING A COUNTER TERRORIST IN THERE TO LAUNCH OPERATIONS AND ALSO GAIN INTELLIGENCE. BUT ALSO, MAYBE LEAVE SOME SMART PEOPLE. MAYBE WE COULD GET PAID BACK FOR ALL THE WORK.>>Juan: 18 YEARS. 18 YEARS WE’VE BEEN THERE. 18 YEARS, THREE PRESIDENTS. I THINK WE’VE GOT 2300 AMERICANS DEAD. 3500, IF YOU INCLUDE THE ALLIED FORCES. I THINK IT’S TIME FOR US TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE HANDLE THIS, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT THERE TO STAY FOREVER.>>I KNOW THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT WE’VE HAD TROOPS IN EUROPE SINCE THE END

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