The National for Nov. 24, 2019 — The China Cables; Black Girl Hockey Club


(*)>>Ian: TONIGHT, CHINA’S SECRET IS OUT.>>Adrienne: A BLUEPRINT FOR ELIMINATING AN ENTIRE CULTURE. THE GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS ARE HIGHLY CLASSIFIED, BUT WE HAVE THEM.>>THESE ARE MASASS BRAINWASHING CENTRES.>>Adrdrienne: ROUGHLY ONE MILLION PEOPLE FORCED INTO CAMPS. NOW WE KNOW WHAT’S HAPPENING INSIDE.>>Ian: HONG KONG VOTES. CBC NEWS IS THERE AS MILLIONS DELIVER A VICTORY TO PRO-DEMOCRACY CANDIDATES.>>NO MATTTTER HOW GOOD YOU ARE, THERE’S ALWAYS A RISK THAT YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE A SHORTCUT.>>Adrienne: A NURSE GOES “PUBLIC” ABOUT THE RISING NUMBER OF SURGERIES, WHERE TOOLS ARE LEFT BEHIND INSIDE PATIENTS.>>Ian: AND THE BIG GAME TO END A BIG DROUGHT.>>>THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.” (*)>>Adrienne: TONIGHT WE SHOW YOU PROOF OF THE LARGEST MASS INCARCERATION OF AN ETHNIC OR RELIGIOUS MINORITY SINCE THE HOLOCAUST. THERE HAVE BEEN WHISPERS OUT OF CHINA ABOUT MUSLIM MINORITIES, PREPREDOMINANTLY UIGHURS, BEING ROUNDED UP. NOW THERE’S A CRACK IN CHINA’S WALL OF SECRECY. CBC HAS BEEN INVESTIGATING THESE DETENTION CAMPS, ALONG WITH THE INTERNATIONAL CONSORTIUM OF INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISTS, WHO OBTAINED AND VERIFIED SECRET LEAKED CHINESE DOCUMENTS. WITHIN THEM A STORY OF PEOPLE IN CHINA’S NORTHWESTERN PROVINCE OF XINJIANG WHO SEEM TO DISAPPEAR OFF THE STREETS. THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS TRACKED AROUND THE GLOBE, EVEN TO CANADA. THESE ARE “THE CHINA CABLES.” CHINA DOESN’T WANT THE WORLD TO SEE XINJIANG UPCLOSE, TO SEE THE CRACKDOWN THAT IT CALLS AN ANSWER TO TERRORISM. THERE HAVE ONLY BEEN FLEETING GLIMPSES OF SWELLING DETENTION CENTRES, BUT NOW THERE’S REAL PROOF — SECRET BLUEPRINTS OF MASS INCARCERATION AND INDOCTRINATION OF MUSLIMS. HOW THIS HAPPENS IS OUTLINED IN METICULOUS DETAILS IN THESE SECRET DOCUMENTS, INCLUDING A RECORD OF A SEVEN-DAY SWEEP IN JUNE 2017 IN WHICH MORE THAN 15,000 PEOPLE WERE PICKED UP OFF THE STREETS AND SENT TO THE SO-CALLED EDUCATION CENTRES. BUT, MAKE NO MISTAKE, THESE ARE CLEAR ORDERS, THESE ARE PRISONS. THOSE INSIDE MUST SPEND AT LEAST A YEAR IN THEM. ONE DOCUMENT IS A SERIES OF DECREES ON HOW TO MAINTAIN SECURITY. PREVENT ESCAPE IS THE FIRST AND A REPEATED PRIORITY, ESPECIALLY DURING CLASS, EATING PERIODS, TOILET BREAKS, BATHTIME AND MEDICAL TREATMENT. THAT INCLUDES FULL VIDEO SURVEILLANCE COVERAGE OF DORMITORIES AND CLASSROOMS, FREE OF BLIND SPOTS. AS WELL AS A ROLLOUT OF SECRET FORCES TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM JOINING FORCES AND CAUSING TROUBLE.>>>BY THE TERM RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM, THE CHINESE MEAN ISLAM.>>Adrienne: ALBANIAN-CANADIAN HISTORIAN OLSI JAZEXHI SEES IN THE DOCUMENTS ECHOES OF WHAT HE SAW FOR HIMSELF. ONCE DOUBTFUL OF THE DETENTION OF MOSTLY UIGHURS, HE RECENTLY ASKED FOR AND GOT AN OFFICIAL TOUR. HIS VIDEOS OF SMILING STUDENTS, SEEMINGLY LEARNING MANDARIN, DANCING, INITIALLY FIT THE GOVERNMENT NARRATIVE.>>THE CHINESE TOLD US THEY HAVE BROUGHT ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS. SO WE WERE EXPECTING TO FIND HERE SUICIDE BOMBERS, KILLERS. WHAT HAVE THESE STUDENTS DONE TO BE HERE?>>Adrienne: BUT THE MORE HE ASKED UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTIONS –>>WHAT IS HER MISTAKE? WHY IS SHE HERE?>>Adrienne: THE MORE HE REALISED IT WAS ALL A SHOW.>>THEIR ANSWERS SURPRISED US A LOT. SOMEBODY HAD PRAYED TO GOD IN PUBLIC. ANOTHER ONE HAD PUT A HIJAB OR A HEADSCARF. THEY WERE NOT EXTREMISTS AND THEY WERE NOT TERRORISTS, THEY WERE NORMAL PEOPLE WHO BELIEVED IN THEIR GOD.>>DO YOU INSIST ON THIS QUESTION?>>Adrienne: THE OFFICIAL TRANSLATOR TOLD HIM SOME OF HIS QUESTIONS WERE OUT OF LINE. WHEN HE NOTICED AN ODD WOUND ON A WOMAN’S HAND, AN OFFICIAL INTERPRETER BECAME FED UP.>>YOU CAN LEAVE IN TWO MINUTES.>>WHY?>>Adrienne: HE REALISED THEY COULD NOT LEAVE, THEY’D BEEN FORCED TO CONFESS SUPPOSED CRIMES.>>IN THESE CENTRES WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS EXACTLY WHAT WE READ IN GEORGE ORWELL’S NOVEL “1984,” THESE ARE BRAINWASHING CENTRES.>>Adrienne: BACK ON THE STREETS OF XINJIANG, THE HOMES OF THE ROUGHLY ONE MILLION DETAINED ARE SOMETIMES LOCKED. SIGNS TELLING ALL THAT THE DISAPPEARED RESIDENTS ARE BEING LOOKED AFTER. NOW THE WORLD IS REALIZING JUST WHAT THAT MEANS. SO HOW DOES CHINA RESPOND? WELL, THE BBC, ONE OF THE PARTNERS IN “THE CHINA CABLES” PROJECT PUT THE BASICS OF THE AUTHENTICATED DOCUMENTS TO THE CHINESE AMBASSADOR TO THE U.K. HERE’S REPORTER RICHARD BILTON.>>HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE HELD IN THESE CAMPS ACROSS XINJIANG, HELD WITHOUT SENTENCE, WITHOUT EVEN CHARGE, AND THEY WILL BE THERE FOR AT LEAST A YEAR BEFORE THEY’RE RELEASED. THEY WILL BE IN THOSE CAMPS AT LEAST ONE YEAR.>>HE DOESN’T KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT. IT’S PURE FABRICATIONS. DON’T LISTEN TO FAKE NEWS. DON’T LISTEN TO FABRICATIONS.>>Adrienne: THE EVIDENCE EXTENDS PAST THESE VERIFIED DOCUMENTS. WE’VE CONNECTED WITH UIGHURS LIVING HERE IN CANADA, INCLUDING ONE YOUNG MAN WHO CONFESSES HE’S AFRAID EVEN HERE, AND HE’S NOT ALONE. YOU KNOW, WE’RE WORKING HARD TO PROTECT YOUR IDENTITY HERE. WHY DOES THAT MATTER TO YOU?>>BECAUSE CHINESE GOVERNMENT CAN TRACK YOU EVERYWHERE THAT YOU ARE, EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY, OR OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTRY THROUGH YOUR PHONE OR THROUGH OTHER PEOPLE AROUND YOU. THEY USUALLY GET THIS INFORMATION FROM YOUR PARENTS OR YOUR RELATIVES.>>Adrienne: MORE FROM HIM AND OTHER CANADIAN UIGHURS WHO FEEL THE LONG REACH OF CHINA HERE TOMORROW ON “THE NATIONAL.”>>>BUT NOW TO ANOTHER STORY DEVELOPING THAT IS BEING WATCHED CLOSELY BY BEIJING.>>[indiscernible] [CHANTS]>>Adrienne: IN HONG KONG A SEISMIC POLITICAL SHIFT. THE LOCAL ELECTIONS, NORMALLY A SLEEPY AFFAIR, SAW SUPER-CHARGED TURNOUT, LANDSLIDE VICTORIES FOR THE PRO-DEMOCRACY CAMP AND CRATERED SUPPORT FOR PRO-BEIJING LAWMAKERS. IN HONG KONG WATCHING THE STORY IS GREG RASMUSSEN. SO, GREG, IT’S MONDAY THERE NOW AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE POLITICAL LANDSCAPE HAS REALLY CHANGED?>>Reporter: ADRIENNE, THESE RESULTS ARE DRAMATIC. THE PRO-BEIJING ELEMENTS HERE WERE HOPING TO PUSH BACK AGAINST THE PROTEST MOVEMENT. INSTEAD, IT APPEARS THAT PRO-DEMOCRACY FORCES HAVE PULLED OFF A MAJOR VICTORY. AND SIGNS OF THAT BEGAN EARLY. THROUGHOUT ELECTION DAY, LONG LINEUPS. IN THE END, VOTER TURNOUT RECORDS WERE SMASHED, LIKE BY THE PEOPLE EAGER TO HAVE THEIR SAY.>>WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE, WE HAVE TO VOTE.>>IT’S REALLY IMPORTANT TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE’S VOICE.>>(Voice of Translator): DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM WILL EVENTUALLY WIN.>>Reporter: THIS VOTER, BORN IN THE UNITED STATES, CAST HIS FIRST EVER BALLOT AS A NEW HONG KONG RESIDENT.>>IT FEELS GOOD, LIKE IT DID THE LAST TIME THAT I VOTED IN THE U.S. AS WELL.>>Reporter: THE VOTE COMES AFTER MONTHS OF CIVIL UNREST, WITH FIERCE BATTLES BETWEEN POLICE AND PROTESTERS ON THE STREETS AND AT UNIVERSITY CAMPUSES. MORE DEMOCRACY AT HIGHER LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT AND POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY ARE TWO KEY DEMANDS OF THE PRO-DEMOCRACY CAMP. THOSE ELECTED IN THESE LOW-LEVEL LOCAL ELECTIONS WON’T HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF POWER TO MAKE CHANGE. BUT IT WAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY SINCE THE CLASHES BEGAN TO MEASURE PUBLIC OPINION AT THE BALLOT BOX.>>THIS ELECTION IS WIDELY BEING SEEN AS A REFERENDUM ON THE GOVERNMENT AND PARTICULARLY HOW IT’S CONDUCTED ITSELF IN THESE MONTHS.>>Reporter: THIS CANADIAN POLITICAL SCIENTIST IS IN HONG KONG DOING RESEARCH. SHE SAYS THAT THIS ELECTION AND ITS IMPACT ON THE CITY’S FUTURE WITHIN CHINA WILL HAVE A RIPPLE EFFECT ON CANADA.>>THERE ARE MANY OTHER PEOPLE WHO WENT TO SCHOOL IN CANADA, IN HIGH SCHOOLS AND UNIVERSITIES, AND HAVE A REAL FEELING OF ATTACHMENT TO CANADA. AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR WELL-BEING AND THEIR RIGHT TO FREEDOM.>>Adrienne: SO, GREG, WHAT HAPPENS TO EITHER THE PROTESTERS OR THE GOVERNMENT FROM HERE?>>Reporter: WELL, THIS LARGE WIN FOR THE REFORMERS FURTHER ERODES THE CREDIBILITY OF THE HIGHER LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT HERE. THE PRO-BEIJING LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL. NOW THE PRO-DEMOCRACY MOVEMENT IS SUDDENLY IN A MUCH STRONGER POSITION IN TERMS OF ITS LEGITIMACY. BUT THE KEY QUESTION IS — WILL LEADERS IN BEIJING TOLERATE A MORE LIBERAL, A MORE DEMOCRATIC HONG KONG, INSIDE OF COMMUNIST CHINA? ADRIENNE?>>Adrienne: ALL RIGHT, THANKS, GREG. THAT’S GREG RASMUSSEN IN HONG KONG.>>>CBC NEWS IS ROLLING OUT A SERIES OF SPECIAL STORIES EXAMINING CHINA’S EXPANDING INFLUENCE THIS WEEK IN A PROJECT THAT WE’RE CALLING “CHINA’S POWER.” WE KICK OFF OUR SERIES WITH A LOOK AT CHINA’S AMBITIOUS PLAN TO CIRCLE THE GLOBE WITH CHINESE-BUILT AND FINANCED INFRASTRUCTURE. TUNE IN RIGHT HERE ON “THE NATIONAL,” TOMORROW NIGHT AT 10:00 p.m. LOCAL ON CBC TV AND CBC GEM.>>Ian: NOW TO OUR ONGOING “GO PUBLIC” INVESTIGATION ABOUT SURGICAL EQUIPMENT MISTAKENLY LEFT INSIDE OF PATIENTS. MORE PEOPLE ARE SHARING THEIR STORIES. AND A LONG-TIME O.R. NURSE TELLS ROSA MARCHITELLI THAT IT MAY KEEP HAPPENING, BECAUSE SURGICAL TEAMS ARE UNDER PRESSURE AND SOMETIMES IN A RUSH.>>Reporter: A “GO PUBLIC” STORY ON THE ALARMING AMOUNT OF MEDICAL DEVICES LEFT INSIDE PATIENTS AFTER SURGERY BROUGHT IT ALL BACK FOR TRACY M. WALLACE. AFTER A PARTIAL HYSTERECTOMY SHE WAS IN A LOT OF PAIN AND NOTICED AN AWFUL SMELL. IT LANDED HER BACK ON THE EXAMINATION TABLE AT HER SURGEON’S OFFICE.>>SHE PUT HER GLOVES ON. AND WHEN SHE PUT HER GLOVES ON AND REACHED IN, SHE TOOK OUT A GLOVE AND TWO SPONGES.>>Reporter: NOW VETERAN SURGICAL NURSE BEV MacLEAN IS SPEAKING OUT AND TELLING “GO PUBLIC” THAT CASES LIKE THAT ARE A DIRECT RESULT OF MEDICAL STAFF BEING PRESSURED TO RUSH SURGERIES. LIKE SEVERAL OTHER PROVINCES, ONTARIO’S HEALTH MINISTRY CAPS FUNDING FOR CERTAIN SURGERIES, NO MATTER HOW COMPLICATED THE CASE.>>THE FASTER YOU GO IN ANY PROCEDURE, NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU ARE AS A TEAM, THERE’S ALWAYS A RISK THAT YOU’LL TAKE A SHORTCUT OR YOU MIGHT MISS A STEP, OR YOU’RE DOING TWO STEPS AT THE SAME TIME.>>Reporter: MEDICAL OBJECTS LEFT INSIDE PATIENTS IS CONSIDERED A “NEVER EVENT,” MEANING THAT THERE’S ENOUGH SAFETY MEASURES IN PLACE THAT THEY SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN. SINCE 2011, SURGICAL TEAMS HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO COUNT MEDICAL EQUIPMENT, EVERYTHING FROM CLAMPS TO SPONGES, AFTER A PROCEDURE. YET THE NUMBER OF INCIDENTS KEEPS GOING UP. MORE THAN 550 OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS. HEALTH CANADA TELLS “GO PUBLIC” THAT IT’S A PROVINCIAL PROBLEM. NOT THE CASE, SAYS THE PATIENT ADVOCATE.>>THIS IS A NATIONAL PUBLIC HEALTH CARE CRISIS. THEY NEED TO STOP BEING SILENT ABOUT IT AND ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT EXISTS.>>Reporter: IN TORONTO, IN OTTAWA, WHAT ARE CALLED O.R. BLOOD BOXES, SIMILAR TO THE ONES IN AIRPLANES, ARE BEING USED IN OPERATING ROOMS. A WINDOW ON WHAT CAN GO WRONG. THE DEVELOPERS SAY THAT SO FAR WHAT THE BOXES RECORDED SHOWED AN AVERAGE OF MORE THAN 130 AUDIO DISTRACTIONS PER SURGERY. LOUD NOISES, IRRELEVANT CONVERSATIONS AND DOORS OPENING AND CLOSING THAT COULD BE LEADING TO MEDICAL MISTAKES.>>IT SHOULDN’T BE HAPPENING AND WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, TO ATTEND TO IT.>>Reporter: IN WALLACE’S CASE, THE SURGEON APOLOGISED, ONLY TELLING HER THAT IT SHOULDN’T HAVE HAPPENED. YEARS LATER SHE’S STILL WONDERING HOW IT DID. ROSA MARCHITELLI, CBC NEWS, CALGARY.>>Ian: OUR “GO PUBLIC” STORIES COME FROM YOU. SO IF YOU HAVE A TIP FOR ROSA AND THE TEAM, SEND AN EMAIL TO [email protected]>>>THE INFORMATION OF THOUSANDS OF KIDS IN CARE COULD BE AT RISK IN MANITOBA AFTER A CHILD WELFARE AGENCY WAS HIT BY A RANSOMWARE ATTACK. AS MARINA VON STACKELBERG TELLS US, THE RCMP HAS BEEN CALLED IN.>>THE SYSTEM WAS COMPROMISED ON THURSDAY MORNING. IT WAS A VIRUS BREACH.>>Reporter: SOUTHERN FIRST NATIONS NETWORK OF CARE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 5,000 FOSTER CHILDREN. THEY ARE FROM 36 FIRST NATIONS ACROSS SOUTHERN MANITOBA. SO THIS ATTACK IS BIG.>>AT THE TIME THE I.T. DEPARTMENT FOLLOWED THEIR DISASTER RECOVERY PLAN AS BEST AS THEY COULD.>>Reporter: THEY SAY THAT SOMEONE ILLEGALLY ACCESSED THEIR INTERNAL SYSTEM, INFECTED IT WITH RANSOMWARE, COMPLETELY SHUTTING IT DOWN. RANSOMWARE USUALLY COMES WITH A RANSOM NOTE, DEMANDING PAYMENT TO UNLOCK A SYSTEM. IN THIS CASE THAT SYSTEM IS ESSENTIAL.>>SO IT’S USED TO — FOR DOCUMENTATION. IT’S USED FOR COMMUNICATION. IT’S USED FOR PROCESSING FINANCIAL INFORMATION.>>Reporter: THEY SAY THEY’RE WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT FOSTER PARENTS GET PAID. AND FOR NOW THEY BELIEVE THAT THE DATA IS SAFE. THEY JUST CAN’T ACCESS IT.>>WE DON’T BELIEVE THAT IT WAS COMPROMISED, BUT IT IS UNDER INVESTIGATION AND WE’VE BEEN ASKED TO — TO STAND BACK FROM IT AT THIS POINT IN ORDER FOR THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE DATA IS SAFE AND SOUND.>>Reporter: AS RCMP INVESTIGATE, SOUTHERN FIRST NATIONS NETWORK OF CARE SAYS THAT IT CAN’T ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO COULD HAVE DONE THIS, HOW THEY GOT INTO THE SYSTEM, OR WHEN IT MIGHT BE BACK ONLINE. THE PROVINCE IN A STATEMENT TODAY SAID THAT IT FOUND OUT ABOUT THE ATTACK LATE ON FRIDAY. THE MANITOBA ADVOCATE FOR CHILDREN AND YOUTH CALLED THE SITUATION “EXTREMELY CONCERNING.” MARINA VON STACKELBERG, CBC NEWS, WINNIPEG.>>Ian: AND RANSOMWARE ATTACKS ARE ON THE RISE. A NUMBER OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENTS AND BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN HIT THIS YEAR ALONE. THE GOVERNMENT OF NUNAVUT IS STILL RECOVERING AFTER RANSOMWARE ATTACK ON ITS SYSTEM EARLIER THIS MONTH. IN SEPTEMBER, THREE ONTARIO HOSPITALS SAID THAT THEY WERE HIT TOO. THE ATTACK MADE HEALTH CARE RECORDS HARDER TO GET ACCESS TO, BUMPED UP WAIT TIMES, AND TOOK EMAIL SYSTEMS OFFLINE. THE KIND OF CASE THAT IN CANADA IS NOT AS RARE AS YOU MIGHT THINK. A RECENT SURVEY OF CANADIAN BUSINESSES REVEAL THAT 88% HAD EXPERIENCED A DATA BREACH IN THE PAST YEAR. 14% OF THOSE WERE RANSOMWARE ATTACKS.>>Adrienne: TOMORROW THE GOVERNMENT LAWYERS WILL FIGHT TO DELAY WHAT COULD BE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF COMPENSATION FOR FIRST NATIONS CHILDREN. A HUMAN RIGHTS TRIBUNAL ORDERED THE PAYOUT IN SEPTEMBER DURING THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN. AND JUSTIN TRUDEAU CAUSED A STIR WHEN HE ANNOUNCED PLANS TO BLOCK IT. OLIVIA STEFANOVICH SHOWS US WHO IS CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE.>>I’M SO PROUD OF YOU.>>Reporter: GIA AUGUSTINE KNOWS THAT SHE HAS TO BE THERE FOR HER NEPHEW, JEREMY, MORE THAN EVER.>>PLEASE TELL ME THAT YOU LOVE ME.>>Reporter: JEREMY NEEDS AROUND-THE-CLOCK CARE. HE HAS CEREBRAL PALSY AND AUTISM AND OTHER HEALTH CONDITIONS. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INITIALLY TRIED TO ONLY COVER A FRACTION OF JEREMY’S SUPPORT COSTS, UNTIL HIS MOM MARINA BEADEL, TOOK OTTAWA TO COURT.>>THAT’S MY MARINA.>>Reporter: BEADEL DIED EARLIER THIS MONTH. AUGUSTINE IS TAKING UP HER CAUSE TO GET COMPENSATION FOR JEREMY. HE’S COVERED BY A RECENT CANADIAN HUMAN RIGHTS TRIBUNAL RULING THAT ORDERED $40,000 FOR EACH CHILD AFFECTED BY THE ON-RESERVE CHILD WELFARE SYSTEM. AND TO ANY FIRST NATIONS CHILD DENIED ACCESS TO FULL GOVERNMENT SERVICES.>>IT’S WHAT MARINA WANTED, IT’S WHAT MY NEPHEW IS GOING TO NEED.>>Reporter: BUT TOMORROW THE GOVERNMENT BEGINS A LEGAL FIGHT AGAINST THE ORDER TO PAY. SAYING THAT IT WANTS TO MAKE AMENDS DIFFERENTLY.>>WE FEEL THAT THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE TRIBUNAL RULING…>>Reporter: THE GOVERNMENT TAKES ISSUE WITH THE COST. POTENTIALLY $8 BILLION. AND THE LIMITED SCOPE. IT ONLY COVERS CASES SINCE 2006. LEAVING OUT KIDS AFFECTED AFTER THE 60s SCOOP ENDED IN 1991.>>THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE UNFORTUNATELY ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THAT DATE AND NOT DEALT WITH IN — IN A FAIR WAY.>>Reporter: THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO SETTLE THE ENTIRE MATTER OUTSIDE OF THE TRIBUNAL. POSSIBLY THROUGH A CLASS-ACTION LAWSUIT THAT IS ALREADY UNDERWAY, BUT HASN’T BEEN CERTIFIED.>>I CAN’T BELIEVE THAT I’M STILL GOING BACK TO COURT 13 YEARS AFTER THIS THING WAS FILED.>>Reporter: ADVOCATES FOR FIRST NATIONS CHILDREN ACCUSE THE GOVERNMENT OF TRYING TO DODGE THE FULL COST.>>IF THE NUMBER BECOMES VERY LARGE, INTO THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, IT’S ONLY BECAUSE CANADA CHOSE TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST SO MANY CHILDREN.>>Reporter: FAMILIES SAY THAT JUSTICE HAS ALREADY TAKEN TOO LONG FOR THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN AFFECTED. OLIVIA STEFANOVICH, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Ian: HERE’S SOME OTHER STORIES THAT WE’RE WATCHING TONIGHT…>>>U.S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE RUTH BADER GINSBURG IS HOME FROM HOSPITAL. SHE WAS ADMITTED ON FRIDAY FOR CHILLS AND FEVER. THE 86-YEAR-OLD HAS BEEN TREATED FOR LUNG AND COLON AND PANCREATIC CANCER. HER HEALTH IS WATCHED CAREFULLY BECAUSE A VACANCY WOULD ALLOW DONALD TRUMP TO APPOINT A REPLACEMENT.>>>AND THE WEATHER IS COMPLICATING THE FIGHT AGAINST AUSTRALIA’S WILDFIRES. OFFICIALS SAY THAT AUSTRALIA’S GREAT DIVIDING RANGE IS AS DRY AS IT WOULD BE IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY. AND THERE ARE DIRE REPORTS ABOUT THE IMPACT ON ANIMALS. WITH THE AUSTRALIAN KOALA FOUNDATION CLAIMING THAT THE FIRES HAVE MADE THE ANIMALS, QUOTE “FUNCTIONALLY EXTINCT.” THAT STORY WAS WIDELY SHARED ON SOCIAL MEDIA TODAY AND WE ASKED ANITA BATHE TO LOOK INTO IT. SHE’S IN OUR NATIONAL NEWSROOM IN VANCOUVER. AND, ANITA, WHAT HAVE YOU FOUND?>>Reporter: IAN, THERE’S NO DOUBT THAT KOALAS ARE IN DANGER, WE’VE KNOWN THAT FOR SOME TIME. AND THESE WILDFIRES ARE CERTAINLY MAKING THE SITUATION WORSE BY DESTROYING MUCH OF THEIR HABITAT. BUT SOME SAY THAT CALLING IT FUNCTIONAL EXTINCTION IS A BIT EXTREME. THE SCENES… ARE HORRIFIC. A KOALA’S CRY AS IT SUFFERS IN AN AUSTRALIAN BUSHFIRE. BUT DESPITE CLAIMS MADE BY THE NON-PROFIT, KOALAS AREN’T DISAPPEARING ENTIRELY, ACCORDING TO EXPERTS.>>THE FUNCTION EXTINCT MEANS THAT THERE AREN’T ENOUGH KOALAS LEFT TO REPRODUCE.>>Reporter: SIMPLY NOT THE CASE SHE SAYS.>>THERE ARE KOALAS IN AREAS THAT WE DON’T EVEN KNOW ABOUT.>>Reporter: WHICH MAKES COUNTING ALL OF THEM IMPOSSIBLE.>>KOALAS COVER A HUGE RANGE. IN SOME AREAS OF THE STUDY THEY ARE DOING FINE. AND SOME AREAS IN SOUTHERN AUSTRALIA THEY HAVE OVERABUNDANCE. AND IN SOME AREAS THEY ARE LOCALLY EXTINCT.>>Reporter: THE SAME NON-PROFIT THAT RAISED THE WORLD’S ALARM ABOUT THE KOALAS ALSO SAYS THAT 80% OF THE KOALA HABITAT IN SOUTHEAST AUSTRALIA HAS BEEN DESTROYED, KILLING UP TO A THOUSAND OF THEM. BUT THE CONCERN FROM OUTSIDE RESEARCHERS IS THAT CLAIMING THE SITUATION IS EVEN WORSE THAN IT IS, IS NOT THE WAY TO HELP THE ALREADY SUFFERING KOALA POPULATION. IAN?>>Ian: ANITA BATHE IN OUR NATIONAL NEWSROOM IN VANCOUVER.>>Adrienne: THIS WEEKEND HALIFAX WAS SWIMMING WITH GLOBAL POWER PLAYERS FOR ITS ANNUAL INTERNATIONAL SECURITY FORUM. TOP BRASS AND STATESMEN AND SECURITY EXPERTS EXCHANGING IDEAS ON PEACE, CHAOS AND CONFLICT. AND THE KEYNOTE SPEAKER TODAY WAS THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE, PETRO POROSHENKO. EVENTS IN UKRAINE AREN’T JUST A CRITICAL SECURITY CONCERN ACROSS EUROPE. THEY ARE, OF COURSE, AT THE HEART OF THE IMPEACHMENT DRAMA IN WASHINGTON. POROSHENKO’S MESSAGE TODAY WAS AIMED AT THE WORLD AND WASHINGTON. HERE’S MURRAY BREWSTER.>>Reporter: IN HALIFAX, UKRAINE’S FORMER PRESIDENT REMINDED THE WORLD HIS COUNTRY IS STILL AT WAR AND WHO IS RESPONSIBLE.>>DON’T ALLOW PUTIN TO DESTABILIZE US.>>Reporter: BUT PETRO POROSHENKO COULD NOT AVOID THE IMPEACHMENT WAR IN WASHINGTON.>>I MET GUILIANI TWICE IN MY LIFE.>>Reporter: HE ACKNOWLEDGED HAVING A 2017 MEETING WITH RUDY GUILIANI, PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP’S PERSONAL LAWYER AND POLITICAL FIXER.>>HE DIDN’T ASK FOR ANYTHING IN RETURN, JUST FOR THE RECORD. NO?>>LOOK, I CANNOT IMAGINE THIS TYPE OF TALKS WITH ME AS THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE.>>SO HE NEVER RAISED BURISMA, HE NEVER RAISED THE BIDENS?>>DEFINITELY NOT.>>Reporter: TRUMP IS ACCUSED OF LEADING ON POROSHENKO’S SUCCESSOR VOLODYMYR ZELENSKY TO LAUNCH AN INVESTIGATION TO DAMAGE A DEMOCRATIC RIVAL, JOE BIDEN. THE WITHHOLDING OF MILITARY AID WAS LEVERAGE.>>WHEN PRESIDENT ZELENSKY BROUGHT UP U.S. MILITARY SUPPORT AND NOTED THAT UKRAINE WOULD LIKE TO BUY MORE JAVALIN ANTI-TANK MISSILES FROM THE UNITED STATES, TRUMP RESPONDED BY SAYING, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO US A FAVOUR THOUGH.>>Reporter: ZELENSKY WANTED MORE OF THESE — JAVALINS, A HIGHLY ACCURATE TANK-KILLING MISSILE, WHOSE PRESENCE APPEARS TO HAVE TIPPED THE BALANCE ON THE LONG FROZEN BATTLEFIELD IN EASTERN UKRAINE.>>WESTERN TANKERS REFUSE TO SIT IN THE TANK BECAUSE [indiscernible] AND OUR NUMBERS OF CASUALTIES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED.>>Reporter: THAT IS SIGNIFICANT. ALLOWING FOR UKRAINIAN FORCES AND RUSSIAN-SPONSORED SEPARATISTS TO PULL BACK AT THREE POINTS ALONG THE FRONT AND PREPARE FOR THE RESUMPTION OF PEACE TALKS.>>IT’S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT STEP. MORE IMPORTANTLY IS THAT IT GETS US TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN SIT DOWN.>>Reporter: BUT FOR THE UKRAINIANS, THE TRUMP IMPEACHMENT AND THE WITHHOLDING OF MILITARY AID HAVE BEEN HUGE DISTRACTIONS FOR THEM, FOR WASHINGTON, AND THE WEST. MURRAY BROWSTER, CBC NEWS, HALIFAX.>>Ian: NOW THE PUBLIC HEARINGS HAVE WRAPPED UP IN THAT IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, THE DEMOCRAT IN CHARGE IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT COMES NEXT. AS KATIE SIMPSON TELLS US, ADAM SCHIFF SAYS THAT THERE’S ALREADY LOTS OF EVIDENCE TO IMPLICATE DONALD TRUMP.>>Reporter: IN THE WEEKS AFTER DONALD TRUMP PUT A HOLD ON HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN AID FOR UKRAINE, THE WHITE HOUSE TRIED TO JUSTIFY THE DECISION AFTER THE FACT, ACCORDING TO THE “WASHINGTON POST”, WHICH SAYS THAT THE EFFORT WAS DETAILED IN EMAILS. IT’S ANOTHER SETBACK FOR THE PRESIDENT, AS DEMOCRATS VOW TO PRESS ON WITH THEIR IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION.>>THE EVIDENCE IS ALREADY OVERWHELMING.>>Reporter: THE DEMOCRAT OVERSEEING THAT INVESTIGATION HIT THE SUNDAY POLITICAL TALK SHOW CIRCUIT, SAYING THAT THE PROBE WILL MOVE FORWARD EVEN THOUGH KEY WITNESSES, INCLUDING FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR JOHN BOLTON, HAVE NOT YET AGREED TO TESTIFY.>>HE WILL HAVE TO EXPLAIN ONE DAY IF HE MAINTAINS THAT POSITION WHY HE WANTED TO WAIT TO PUT IT IN A BOOK INSTEAD OF TELLING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT HE KNEW WHEN IT REALLY MATTERED TO THE COUNTRY.>>Reporter: SCHIFF WON’T TRY TO FORCE BOLTON TO COME FORWARD, BECAUSE THE COURT PROCESS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN COULD SLOW DOWN IMPEACHMENT BY WEEKS, IF NOT MONTHS. AS FOR TRUMP’S ALLIES, THEY WELCOME THE CHANCE TO DEFEND THE PRESIDENT IF THIS EVENTUALLY GOES TO TRIAL IN THE SENATE.>>I THINK THAT DEFENCE IS ON THE OFFENSE. IF THERE’S A SENATE TRIAL AND WE’LL BE ABLE TO CALL WITNESSES, WE’LL BE ABLE TO CHALLENGE THEIR WITNESSES, PRODUCE OTHER EVIDENCE.>>Reporter: EVERYONE FOLLOWING THE IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS WILL BE PAYING ATTENTION TO A WASHINGTON COURT DECISION TOMORROW. A JUDGE WILL RULE WHETHER A FORMER WHITE HOUSE LAWYER WILL BE FORCED TO TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS ON ANOTHER TRUMP-RELATED MATTER. IF SO, THE DEMOCRATS COULD POINT TO THAT RULING AND URGE JOHN BOLTON TO COOPERATE. KATIE SIMPSON, CBC NEWS, WASHINGTON.>>Ian: WE HAVE MUCH MORE NEWS AHEAD ON “THE NATIONAL,” INCLUDING A GREAT WEEKEND FOR CANADIAN SPORTS FANS. UP NEXT WE’LL TAKE TO YOU CALGARY WHERE SOMEBODY’S GREY CUP DROUGHT IS COMING TO AN END.>>Adrienne: AND IN TENNIS, A LOOK AT TEAM CANADA’S HISTORIC JOURNEY TO THE DAVIS CUP FINALS TODAY. WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK. (*) [Cheers and Applause]>>Ian: WELL, ENJOY A MOMENT DECADES IN THE MAKING. TONIGHT THE WINNIPEG BLUE BOMBERS ARE GREY CUP CHAMPS FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1990. BUT THEIR WIN, OF COURSE, MEANS ANOTHER DECADES LONG DROUGHT CONTINUES FOR THEIR OPPONENTS, THE HAMILTON TIGER-CATS HAVEN’T WON SINCE 1999. ERIN COLLINS IS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE STADIUM TONIGHT. ERIN, I KNOW THAT IT’S LOUD AND A LOT OF EXCITEMENT. ALSO A LOT OF DISAPPOINTMENT THERE TONIGHT?>>Reporter: A LITTLE BIT. A LOT OF DISAPPOINTMENT, NOT DISAPPOINTMENT BEHIND ME, OBVIOUSLY. TO THE VICTORS GO THE SPOILS. BUT TIGER-CATS FANS WHO ARE STREAMING OUT OF THIS STADIUM ARE VERY DISAPPOINTED, CERTAINLY, NOT THE RESULT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR. BUT EVEN IN DEFEAT, TIGER-CATS FANS WERE VERY GRACIOUS, CONGRATULATING THE BLUE BOMBER FANS. AND THIS IS A UNIQUE EVENT, IAN, A PLACE WHERE EVEN RIVALS CAN SHARE A LAUGH AND A BEER. [Cheers and Applause] THIS IS THE GREY CUP CALGARY-STYLE. NO TEAM IN THE BIG GAME THIS YEAR, BUT HAPPY TO CELEBRATE WITH THOSE THAT DO.>>CALGARY HAS THROWN ONE HECK OF A PARTY. COULDN’T ASK FOR A BETTER TURNOUT. THE WEATHER IS PHENOMENAL FOR A GREY CUP. EXCELLENT.>>Reporter: THE EATON BROTHERS DROVE HERE FROM WINNIPEG, FULL OF HOPE, DESPITE THEIR TEAM’S DROUGHT.>>IT’S BEEN TERRIBLE. BUT, HEY, THEY’RE OUR BOYS. GOT TO KEEP SUPPORTING THEM YEAR AFTER YEAR. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE THE YEAR. THIS IS OUR YEAR, TIME TO WIN.>>Reporter: OF COURSE THE TIGER CAT FANS ARRIVED JUST AS HUNGRY FOR A WIN, BUT HERE TODAY EVEN RIVALS CAN BECOME FAST FRIENDS.>>NUMBER ONE ALL YEAR, NUMBER ONE TONIGHT, BABY.>>IT’S FOR THE COMPETITION. IT’S FRIENDLY COMPETITION.>>Reporter: THE GREY CUP IS A UNIQUELY CANADIAN EXPERIENCE, WHERE TEAMS THAT AREN’T EVEN PLAYING ARE REPRESENTED. AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH IS ON THE LINE ON THE FIELD, EVERYONE IS WELCOME OFF OF IT.>>[CHANTS] WOO! TIGERS, EAT THEM RAW!>>Reporter: WELL, IAN, THEY DIDN’T EAT THEM RAW, OBVIOUSLY. PERHAPS THE BIGGER WINNER TONIGHT IS ANDREW HARRIS, THE WINNIPEG RUNNING BACK, HOMETOWN BOY BRINGS A CHAMPIONSHIP BACK TO THE PRAIRIES. AND ALSO WON MOST OUTSTANDING PLAYER OF THE GAME AND THE MOST OUTSTANDING CANADIAN. IT’S A FIRST TIME THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED IN A GREY CUP. SO ANDREW HARRIS IS GOING HOME WITH A LOT OF HARDWARE, A BIG WINNER. MAKING THESE FANS VERY HAPPY.>>Ian: IT’S A FANTASTIC STORYLINE. AND THERE’S ANOTHER CELEBRITY ASSOCIATED WITH THE BLUE BOMBERS WHO SOME PEOPLE KNOW AS “PANTS GUY” OR “SHORTS GUY.”>>Reporter: PANTS GUY. YEAH, CHRIS MATTHEW — HASN’T WORN PANTS IN 18 YEARS, IF YOU CAN BELIEVE THAT. ALTHOUGH I SAW SOME OTHER BOMBERS FANS NOT WEARING PANTS TONIGHT EITHER. AND I HEARD THAT HE PUT PANTS ON IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE GAME AND WAS SEEN ON THE FIELD WEARING PANTS. AND I CAN TELL YOU WHILE I WAS TALKING TO THE TIGER-CATS FANS ON THEIR WAY OUT, WELL, THEY WERE HAPPY FOR MR. MATTHEW AS WELL, HAPPY THAT HE GETS TO PUT HIS PANTS BACK ON.>>Ian: AND HE PUTS THEM ON ONE LEG AT A TIME AND WE SHOWED THAT PICTURE MOMENTS AGO. ERIN COLLINS IS OUTSIDE OF THE GREY CUP GAME IN CALGARY TONIGHT.>>Adrienne: SO THE GREY CUP IS ALWAYS A BIG DEAL, BUT CAN WE ACKNOWLEDGE ANOTHER SPORT HAVING A CANADIAN MOMENT? THIS WEEK CANADA’S TENNIS STARS HAD THEIR FIRST SHOTS EVER AT THE DAVIS CUP. JUST TO QUALIFY REQUIRES A BENCH WITH A LOT OF TALENT. SHANNON MARTIN SHOWS US WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE.>>Reporter: AN IMPOSSIBLE DREAM THAT ALMOST CAME TRUE.>>THIS IS BIG-LEAGUE TENNIS FOR SHAPOVALOV.>>Reporter: THE WORLD’S BEST VETERAN, RAFAEL NADAL OF SPAIN, KEPT ON HIS TOES BY A SUPERSTAR-IN-THE-MAKING. DENIS SHAPOVALOV SCRAPPED TO STAY ALIVE BUT ULTIMATELY NADAL, A BEAST ON THE COURT, CAPTURED THE TIGHT — TITLE FOR SPAIN IN FRONT OF A HOMETOWN CROWD.>>IT’S ALWAYS TOUGH GETTING SO CLOSE AND LOSING, BUT THEY PUT AN AMAZING EFFORT IN.>>Reporter: ALL WEEK THE CANADIAN TEEN SURPRISED AND IMPRESSED. [Cheers and Applause]>>THIS REMARKABLE RIDE CONTINUES.>>Reporter: CAPPING OFF WHAT HAS BEEN AN EPIC YEAR FOR CANADIAN TENNIS. WHO CAN FORGET THIS… SPORTS ANALYSTS SAY THAT CANADA IS RIDING A WAVE OF YOUNG POWERHOUSE PLAYERS RISING ALL AT ONCE.>>IT’S ALMOST LIKE THE LOTTERY WIN. SO HOPEFULLY WHAT THAT WILL DO IS, YOU KNOW, IN A HOCKEY MAD COUNTRY WHERE SO MANY OTHER SPORTS TAKE CENTRE STAGE, THAT TENNIS CAN REALLY PICK UP MORE SPACE.>>THERE YOU GO, BUDDY. TURN THOSE SHOULDERS. LET ME SEE BIG SHOULDER TURN…>>Reporter: AT THIS TENNIS SCHOOL, RUN BY SHAPOVALOV’S MOM, HERSELF A CHAMPIONSHIP PLAYER, KIDS CAN’T SEEM TO GET ENOUGH.>>YOU REALLY SEE THAT IN THEIR EYES BECAUSE IF DENIS CAN DO IT, THEY THINK THEY CAN DO IT AS WELL.>>Reporter: PICTURES AND EVEN WORDS OF ENCOURAGEMENT FROM THE PLAYER HIMSELF ONLY PUSH THEM HARDER.>>IT’S CRAZY BECAUSE HE WAS LIKE, JUST LIKE ME BEFORE.>>Reporter: THE NEXT NEXT GENERATION OF TENNIS GREATS. SHANNON MARTIN, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Adrienne: LOVE IT. AFTER THE BREAK WE TALK WITH ONE OF CANADA’S MOST CURIOUS MINDS ABOUT WHAT MAKES HIS WORLD GO AROUND. “THE NATIONAL” INTERVIEW WITH BOB McDONALD IS NEXT. (*)>>Bob McDonald: IN CLONING YOU JUST USE THE GENETIC MATERIAL FROM ONE PARENT AND YOU DUPLICATE IT.>>Ian: FOR DECADES, BOB McDONALD HAS EXPLAINED TO US HOW SCIENCE WORKS, USING PLAIN LANGUAGE AND AN IMPRESSIVE ARRAY OF PROPS. NOW THE HOST OF CBC RADIO’S “QUIRKS AND QUARKS” HAS WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT HIS LIFE-LONG PASSION. ANDREW CAUGHT UP WITH BOB McDONALD FOR TONIGHT’S “NATIONAL” INTERVIEW.>>Bob McDonald: ONE EVENT THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO AN ASTROLOGER IS A PLANETARY CONJUNCTURE.>>Andrew: BOB McDONALD WOULD TELL THAT YOU HE’S BILINGUAL, SPEAKING ENGLISH AND SCIENCE.>>Bob McDonald: I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT BY USING AN ORANGE AND DISKS ON A TABLE HERE.>>Peter: TWO ASTRONAUTS WENT ON A SPECTACULAR SPACEWALK. TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO WE ARE JOINED BY BOB McDONALD.>>Andrew: HE HAS BEEN OUR TRANSLATOR FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS FOR ALL OF THOSE THING THAT LEAVE US WONDER STRUCK.>>Bob McDonald: I’M SURE THAT YOU’RE CURIOUS TOO OR YOU WOULDN’T BE HERE.>>Andrew: EXPLAINING THE QUIRKS AND QUARKS OF IT ALL, SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND SCIENCE JUST A LITTLE BIT BETTER. HE HAS BEEN MADE AN OFFICER OF THE ORDER OF CANADA –>>Bob McDonald: THIS THING IS HEAVY. IT REALLY FEELS LIKE THE BIGGEST THING THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN TO ME.>>Andrew: PICKED A TUNE WITH AN ASTRONAUT. EVEN HAD AN ASTEROID NAMED AFTER HIM. (*) (singing). NOW HE’S WRITTEN A BOOK THAT FLIRTS WITH THE SPACE TIME CONTINUUM. A TRIP THROUGH HIS CELESTIAL MEMORY. I MET UP WITH BOB McDONALD EARLIER IN TORONTO. BOB.>>Bob McDonald: ANDREW.>>Andrew: ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO YOU. YOU AND I ACTUALLY HAD A FEW CHANCES TO TALK TO EACH OTHER. AND THE THING THAT OCCURRED TO ME IS THAT SO OFTEN WHEN WE SIT DOWN AND TALK IT’S ABOUT YOU EXPLAINING OTHER THINGS.>>Bob McDonald: YEAH, LIKE THE UNIVERSE.>>Andrew: RIGHT. BUT WE RARELY TALK ABOUT YOU. [laughter] SO, OKAY, SO WE’VE GOT YOUR BOOK. AND THE THING THAT STRIKES ME RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE IS THE OPENING DEDICATION, RIGHT? SO IT’S “TO CURIOUS MINDS EVERYWHERE.”>>Bob McDonald: YES. I HAVE DEDICATED THIS BOOK TO YOUNG PEOPLE, SAY, 7 TO 14 UP, OR ANYONE — ANY YOUNG PERSON WHO IS CURIOUS ABOUT THE WORLD. AND I FIND THAT ALL PEOPLE ARE CURIOUS ABOUT THE WORLD. AND THAT’S ALSO THE WAY THAT SCIENCE WORKS. SCIENCE IS CURIOSITY-BASED. YOU ASK A QUESTION, WHY IS THE SKY BLUE. YOU DO AN EXPERIMENT TO FIND OUT WHY. AND TO COME TO A CONCLUSION. SO WE HAVE TO GET TO THE YOUNG PEOPLE AS BEST WE CAN.>>Andrew: WHAT MADE BOB MCDONALD A CURIOUS PERSON?>>Bob McDonald: WOW. WELL, I WAS LIKE ANY KID, ANYBODY ELSE, CURIOUS ABOUT THE WORLD. BUT I GREW UP IN THE SPACE AGE. I REMEMBER SPUTNIK, THE VERY FIRST SATELLITE, THAT’S HOW OLD I AM. THE WHOLE SPACE PROGRAMME HAS HAPPENED IN MY LIFETIME. BUT THE OTHER THING THAT GOT ME AS A KID WAS THIS BOOK THAT MY MOTHER CAME HOME ONE DAY WITH THIS BOOK CALLED “THE PLANETS:THE GOLDEN LIBRARY OF KNOWLEDGE” AND IT’S AN ART BOOK AND IT JUST HAS DRAWINGS OF WHAT THE PLANETS MIGHT BE LIKE. AND THERE WAS ONE PICTURE IN HERE THAT I JUST FELL INTO. AND IT’S A PICTURE OF JUPITER THAT — IT’S THIS ONE HERE — AND IT SHOWS JUPITER FROM ONE OF ITS MOONS. AND IT SAYS FROM THAT MOON THAT JUPITER WOULD FILL A FOURTH OF YOUR SKY. A FOURTH OF IT? IT WOULD BE HUGE! AND I THOUGHT THIS IS A REAL PLACE. THIS IS A PLACE THAT I MIGHT GO SOMEDAY AND SEE THAT. AND SO THIS BOOK TAUGHT ME AS A KID THAT THE EARTH IS JUST ONE OF A WHOLE FAMILY OF PLANETS AND ALL OF THE OTHERS ARE REALLY, REALLY DIFFERENT.>>Andrew: AND ONE OF THE WAYS THAT YOU HELP PEOPLE TO VISUALIZE THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE BALLPARK ANALOGY. CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THAT.>>Bob McDonald: I HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVITIES, THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO IN THE BOOK. AND ONE IS TO BUILD A MODEL OF A SOLAR SYSTEM IN A BASEBALL DIAMOND, USING A GRAPEFRUIT TO REPRESENT THE SUN. YOU PUT IT AT HOME PLATE. AND THEN YOU TAKE LITTLE CANDY SPRINKLES THAT YOU PUT ON A CAKE OR A MUFFIN TO REPRESENT THE PLANETS.>>Andrew: SMALL?>>Bob McDonald: YEAH, TINY WITH MAYBE AN M & M OR A SMARTIE TO REPRESENT THE BIG PLANETS. SO BETWEEN HOME PLATE AND THE PITCHER’S MOUND IS MERCURY AND VENUS. AND THEN THE EARTH WOULD BE JUST BEYOND THE PITCHER’S MOUND. MARS IS AT SECOND BASE. JUPITER IS ALMOST AT THE WALL IN THE OUTFIELD. LIKE THERE’S A BIG, BIG DIFFERENCE OUT TO JUPITER. SATURN I THINK IS UP IN THE TOP TIERS OF THE STANDS. AND THE OTHER PLANETS ARE OUTSIDE OF BUILDING. YOU HAVE TO GO LIKE A BLOCK OR SO AWAY. AND PLUTO IS ROUGHLY LIKE A KILOMETRE OR TWO AWAY FROM HOME PLATE. SO THAT’S JUST A MODEL OF OUR SOLAR SYSTEM. THE NEXT GRAPEFRUIT, THE NEXT STAR, IF YOU WERE IN TORONTO, SAY, THE NEXT STAR WOULD PROBABLY BE IN CALGARY.>>Andrew: WAS THERE A TOPIC IN THIS BOOK THAT YOU WERE JUST SO EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO WRITE ABOUT?>>Bob McDonald: WELL, I’M ALWAYS FASCINATED BY WHAT WE DON’T KNOW, THE EDGE OF OUR KNOWLEDGE. SO THAT INCLUDES BLACK HOLES, BECAUSE WE DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GO INTO A BLACK HOLE. I’M INTERESTED IN DARK MATTER AND DARK ENERGY. THEY MAKE UP 95% OF THE UNIVERSE. DARK MATTER IS SOME STUFF THAT’S OUT THERE THAT WE CAN’T SEE BUT THAT WE KNOW IS THERE. AND DARK ENERGY THAT IS WORKING AGAINST GRAVITY TO PUSH THE UNIVERSE APART, THEY MAKE UP 95% OF THE UNIVERSE. 95% OF THE UNIVERSE AND WE DON’T HAVE A CLUE WHAT IT IS. WE THINK THAT WE’RE SO SMART.>>Andrew: ARE THERE THINGS THAT STILL DRIVE YOU MAD? BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN’T UNDERSTAND THEM?>>Bob McDonald: OH, WELL, WHEN YOU GET INTO QUANTUM PHYSICS AND SOME OF THE WEIRD STUFF THAT HAPPENS IN THERE. AND MULTI-VERSES, YOU KNOW, THAT WE’RE ONLY ONE OF MANY MULTIDIMENSIONAL UNIVERSES AND ALL OF THAT, I KIND OF GET LOST IN THERE.>>Andrew: THERE’S ANOTHER PART OF THE BOOK WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE OR CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE WORLD IS FLAT.>>Bob McDonald: YES.>>Andrew: AND TO YOUR CREDIT, YOU DON’T USE THE WORD IGNORANT ANYWHERE IN THE BOOK. THERE’S A PART OF ME THAT WONDERED IF YOU WANTED TO?>>Bob McDonald: NO, ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THEY SEEM TO BE SHOWING THEIR IGNORANCE BECAUSE THEY’LL SAY THINGS THAT ARE JUST NOT TRUE SOMETIMES. I HAD DIFFICULTY WITH THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SCIENCE AND PSUEDOSCIENCE. THERE’S A LOT OF PSUEDOSCIENCE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, CONSPIRACY THEORISTS ARE CLIMATE DENIERS OR PEOPLE — CREATIONISTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT TELL ME THAT THE SCIENCE IS WRONG. AND IT’S BECAUSE OF BELIEF. AND SCIENCE ISN’T ABOUT BELIEF. SCIENCE IS ABOUT GATHERING EVIDENCE. YOU CAN BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU LIKE. I HAVE NO TROUBLE WITH FAITH AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT DON’T TELL ME THAT THE SCIENCE IS WRONG. THEY ARE JUST TWO DIFFERENT WAYS OF LOOKING AT THE UNIVERSE. SCIENCE IS SELF-CORRECTING. SCIENCE HAS MADE MISTAKES IN THE PAST. WE’VE GOTTEN THINGS WRONG. THAT’S WHY IT’S A COMMUNITY. SOMEBODY WILL COME ALONG AND SAY, HEY, I’VE IMPROVED ON THAT OLD IDEA. YOU KNOW, NEWTON — ISSAC NEWTON TOLD US ABOUT THE LAWS OF GRAVITY. AND IT ALL WORKS PERFECTLY FINE, EVEN TODAY. BUT THEN EINSTEIN CAME ALONG AND HE SAID I’VE GOT A BIGGER PICTURE THAT INVOLVES THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE AND IT’S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. HE DIDN’T SAY THAT NEWTON WAS WRONG, HE JUST IMPROVED ON IT. AND THAT’S WHAT SCIENCE DOES, IT BUILDS ON ITSELF AND IT’S SELF-CORRECTING.>>Andrew: IT CAN FEEL THAT WE LIVE IN THIS WORLD NOW — I MEAN, THERE’S INFORMATION, BUT MISINFORMATION AND DISINFORMATION, AND TRUTHS BUT HALF-TRUTHS AND INDIVIDUAL TRUTHS. NEWS AND FAKE NEWS. DOES SOME OF THAT JUST KIND OF PISS YOU OFF?>>Bob McDonald: IN SCIENCE WHAT I ADVISE PEOPLE TO DO IS THAT IF YOU’RE INTERESTED IN SCIENCE AND YOU SEE A WEBSITE OR YOU SEE SOMEBODY CLAIMING SOMETHING, GO TO THE SOURCE, FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE. AND VERY OFTEN YOU’LL FIND THAT IT’S USUALLY SOMEBODY WITH A POINT OF VIEW OR AN OPINION, BUT THEY HAVEN’T ACTUALLY DONE THE SCIENCE. SO IF IT’S REAL SCIENCE, GO FOR THAT. SO THAT’S A CHALLENGE IS TO FIND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SCIENCE AND PSUEDOSCIENCE.>>Andrew: HMM. BUT THE QUESTION IS — DOES IT PISS YOU OFF?>>Bob McDonald: SOMETIMES. I GET REALLY ANNOYED — I HAVE YELLED AT TELEVISIONS WHEN I HAVE WATCHED SOME OF THESE CONSPIRACY THEORY PROGRAMMES. BECAUSE THEY’LL SAY SOMETHING AND I’LL GO, THAT’S NOT RIGHT! THAT’S NOT RIGHT! WHAT YOU SAID IS NOT RIGHT! BUT TO THE LAYPERSON YOU DON’T KNOW, IT’S SO SCIENTIFIC-SOUNDING AND IT BUGS ME A LOT WHEN I SEE THERE AND I WANT TO SLAP THEM UP AND SAYING, WHAT ARE YOU DOING SAYING THAT, THAT’S CRAZY. HOW DO YOU GET AWAY WITH THAT? HOW ARE YOU ON THE AIR? YEAH, I DO GET ANGRY SOMETIMES.>>Andrew: THAT’S THE FIRST TIME THAT I HAVE EVER HEARD BOB McDONALD SAY THAT HE WANTED TO SLAP SOMEONE. [laughter] I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE END OF THE BOOK. YOU — AND I DON’T THINK THAT IT WAS AN ACCIDENT OR BY CHANCE. I THINK THAT IT WAS PROBABLY A DELIBERATE DECISION ON YOUR PART TO END WITH A CONVERSATION ABOUT SPACE GARBAGE. JUNK THAT WE’VE THROWN UP THERE.>>Bob McDonald: YES. WE’RE LITTERING SPACE. THERE ARE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF BITS OF OLD DEAD SATELLITES THAT ARE STILL IN ORBIT. NUTS AND BOLTS AND PIECES OF SATELLITES, AS THEY GO UP, YOU KNOW, THEY COME APART IN PIECES. AND IT’S BECOMING MORE AND MORE OF A PROBLEM. IN FACT, WHEN THEY’RE THINKING OF SENDING UP NEW SATELLITES THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE’S A CLEAR SPACE BECAUSE THEY MIGHT RUN INTO JUNK. AND IN SPACE, THINGS ARE RUNNING SO FAST, THAT IF YOU HIT SOMETHING, EVEN SOMETHING THE SIZE OF THIS, IF IT HITS YOU, IT’S GOING THOUSANDS OF KILOMETRES AN HOUR SO IT HAS THE IMPACT OF A GRENADE ON YOU. WHICH CAN DO LIKE A LOT OF DAMAGE.>>Andrew: LIKE BULLETS, JUST KIND OF SPINNING AROUND, RIGHT?>>Bob McDonald: AND SO WE HAVE TO CLEAN THAT UP AND THAT’S A BIG ISSUE.>>Andrew: AND I GUESS THAT THE REAL ENDING OF THE BOOK WAS THE LOOK BACK, RIGHT, TO WHERE WE ALL LIVE, THE PLACE THAT WE ALL CALL HOME.>>Bob McDonald: YOU KNOW, ANDREW, I WAS INSPIRED BY THIS BOOK AS A KID TO UNDERSTAND PLANETS, AND I’VE HAD THE PLEASURE AS A JOURNALIST TO WITNESS THE EXPLORATION OF THE PLANETS BY ROBOTS. I WAS THERE WHEN WE WENT TO MARS AND JUPITER AND SATURN, AT MISSION CONTROL GOING, WOW, WE’RE SEEING THESE FOR THE FIRST TIME. IT’S BEEN REALLY, REALLY EXCITING. AND WE FOUND PLANETS GOING AROUND OTHER STARS, THOUSANDS OF THEM. BUT NONE OF THEM ARE LIKE THE EARTH. NONE OF THEM ARE LIKE THE EARTH. THEY’LL ALL KILL YOU. MARS DOESN’T HAVE ANY OXYGEN AND IF YOU GO THERE YOU HAVE TO WEAR A SPACESUIT TO JUST WALK ON MARS. ALL OF THE PLANETS WILL KILL YOU. AND THE EARTH IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE HAVE THAT YOU CAN GO OUTSIDE NAKED IF YOU LIKE AND IT’S OKAY, YOU DON’T DIE.>>Andrew: WELL, MOSTLY OKAY.>>Bob McDonald: WELL, OKAY. BUT THIS IS IT. WE HAVEN’T FOUND ANOTHER EARTH YET THAT’S THE HOLY GRAIL IN SPACE EXPLORATION. WE WILL ONE DAY, BUT IT’S GOING TO BE REALLY FAR AWAY, WE CAN’T GET TO IT. SO I’VE REALLY COME TO APPRECIATE PLANET EARTH AS THE CROWN JEWEL OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM, THE GARDEN OF EDEN THAT WE LIVE IN. IT’S BEAUTIFUL. AND, YEAH, THE OTHER PLANETS ARE REALLY NEAT BUT WE CAN’T LIVE ON THEM. SO LET’S TAKE CARE OF THIS ONE.>>Andrew: ALWAYS ENLIGHTENING, BOB.>>Bob McDonald: THANK YOU, ANDREW. A PLEASURE.>>Ian: NEXT, FANS WHO FELT SHUT OUT OF HOCKEY UNTIL NOW. ON THE ROAD WITH THE BLACK GIRL HOCKEY CLUB RIGHT AFTER THIS. (*)>>Adrienne: WELCOME BACK. BEING A PRO HOCKEY PLAYER, THAT IS OBVIOUSLY A BIT OF AN EXCLUSIVE CLUB. BUT BEING A FAN? THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN TO EVERYONE. SO WHEN ONE BLACK WOMAN IN THE U.S. HAD TROUBLE FINDING OTHER BLACK WOMEN WHO ARE FANS, SHE TOOK ACTION. KIM BRUNHUBER INTRODUCES US TO THE BLACK GIRL HOCKEY CLUB.>>Reporter: TWO HOURS BEFORE THE PUCK DROPS AS THEY WALK TOWARDS THE RINK, A PASSERBY WONDERS IF THEY’RE A BAND PLAYING AT THE STAPLE CENTRE. THEY’RE NOT, THEY’RE HOCKEY FANS. BY NOW USED TO THE LOOKS THEY OFTEN GET WHEN THEY TELL PEOPLE THAT THEY’RE HOCKEY FANS. WHAT IS IT LIKE?>>THIS IS AMAZING.>>Reporter: IMANI DEAN, A LONG-TIME HOCKEY FAN, BUT THIS IS HER FIRST TIME AT THE ARENA TO SEE HER L.A. KINGS PLAY.>>I’M VERY EXCITED, VERY — VERY EXCITED.>>Reporter: SOME BLACK WOMEN SAY THEY FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE ACTUALLY GOING TO A GAME, BECAUSE SO OFTEN THEY ARE BEING MADE TO FEEL THEY AREN’T PART OF THE CLUB. UNTIL NOW.>>THERE’S VERY FEW BLACK HOCKEY FANS AND EVEN LESS FEMALE HOCKEY FANS. SO YOU’RE JUST LIKE, HI, MY PEOPLE!>>Reporter: WELCOME TO THE BLACK GIRL HOCKEY CLUB, FOUNDED BY RENEE HEST. WHEN SHE STARTED WATCHING HOCKEY SHE DIDN’T REALIZE THAT THERE WERE ANY OTHER BLACK WOMEN OUT THERE WHO LIKED THE SPORT.>>IT IS DEFINITELY LONELY. AND I WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. COME ON, GET IT TOGETHER, GUYS.>>Reporter: SO LAST YEAR SHE STARTED ORGANIZING TRIPS TO WATCH HOCKEY GAMES TOGETHER.>>SO THE BLACK GIRL HOCKEY CLUB IS ALL ABOUT BUILDING A COMMUNITY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.>>BLACK GIRL HOCKEY CLUB!>>Reporter: THE CLUB HAS GROWN FROM A HANDFUL OF MEMBERS TO MORE THAN 50.>>INTENSE JOY OF FEELING SEEN AND FEELING ACCEPTED. THAT’S WHAT I ENJOY AND THAT’S WHAT I LOVE TO SEE.>>CAN I TAKE A PICTURE WITH YOU?>>YES, THANK YOU.>>SEASONED PHOTOGRAPHER THERE.>>Reporter: THAT’S BLAKE BOLDEN CHATTING WITH THE L.A. KINGS PRESIDENT. AS THE FIRST FEMALE BLACK PRO HOCKEY PLAYER IN NORTH AMERICA, SHE’S NO STRANGER TO ABUSE.>>JUST THOSE KIND OF THINGS, WORDS, RUDE, AND SEXUALLY OFFENSIVE AND RACIALLY OFFENSIVE.>>Reporter: NOW SHE’S THRILLED TO HAVE FOUND A GROUP IN WHICH SHE CAN GET SUPPORT AND GIVE IT.>>I HOPE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO INSPIRE EVERY PERSON TO WANT TO TRY THE GAME, TO GET IT MORE COLOURFUL.>>Reporter: THE CLUB’S YOUNGEST MEMBER, 12-YEAR-OLD LINCOLN BROWN. THAT’S HER RIDING ON THE ZAMBONI. SHE PLAYS FOR THE JUNIOR KINGS. SHE’S EVEN CHOSEN TO LAUNCH THE KING’S NEW JERSEY AND THE BLOWBACK ON SOCIAL MEDIA IS SEXIST AND RACIST AND CRUEL. AS A MOM, HOW DID THAT MAKE YOU FEEL?>>DISAPPOINTED. YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD THINK IN THIS TIME THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE MORE ACCEPTING.>>Reporter: THIS GROUP, BROWN SAYS, MAKES HER FEEL SOMETHING IMPORTANT, SOMETHING RARE — INCLUDING –>>I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE MORE — MAKE THIS SPORT MORE DIVERSE.>>WOO!>>Reporter: IT’S THE LITTLE THINGS, BUT LITTLE THINGS GO TO BIG THINGS. A MESSAGE TO ALL BLACK GIRLS WHO LOVE HOCKEY?>>YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE YOU OUT THERE. WE ARE GATHERED, WE ARE HERE, WE’RE A FAMILY, AND WE’RE HERE FOR YOU. WOO!>>Reporter: EVERY MEETING, EVERY GAME, THEY SAY, BUILDS A FUTURE IN WHICH THERE IS NO BLACK GIRL HOCKEY CLUB, ONLY HOCKEY CLUB. KIM BRUNHUBER, CBC NEWS, LOS ANGELES.>>Ian: WHEN WE COME BACK AN ICONIC MONTRÉAL CHRISTMAS DISPLAY HAS A NEW HOME. AND THE SAME OLD CHARM. THAT IS OUR “MOMENT” NEXT. (*)>>Ian: A FAMILIAR SIGHT FOR GENERATIONERS OF MONTRÉALERS, VISITING THE OGILVY WINDOW WAS A CHRISTMAS TRADITION FOR DECADES. NOW THE SEASONAL LANDMARK HAS BEEN PRESERVED IN A NEW HOME. INSTEAD OF DRAWING SHOPPERS INTO THE LANDMARK DEPARTMENT STORE, THE DISPLAY IS NOW IN A MUSEUM. THE EFFORT TO KEEP A 70-YEAR-OLD TRADITION ALIVE IS OUR “MOMENT.”>>THIS IS THE POWER OF SOCIAL MYSTERY. YOU KNOW, YOU ARE FEELING EXACTLY WHAT WAS THE ACTUAL FEELING WHEN IT WAS IN FRONT OF OGILVYS. I THINK WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT THOSE CHRISTMAS WINDOWS PRETTY MUCH AS FOR ANY KIND OF TRADITION, INCLUDING CHRISTMAS TRADITIONS, IS THAT IT ACTUALLY BRINGS GENERATIONS TOGETHER.>>FOR THE SECOND YEAR IN A ROW MY OTHER SON ASKED TO COME LOOK AT THE OGILVY WINDOW. SO WE TRY TO CARRY ON THE TRADITION. IT’S SOMETHING THAT I GREW UP WATCHING AND, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATING IN AS A CHILD. AND I THINK THAT IT’S A NICE CULTURAL EXPERIENCE HERE IN MONTRÉAL.>>I JUST WENT BACK TO MY CHILDHOOD, AND TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHEN I WAS A KID, I’D REALLY BE HAPPY TO SEE THAT.>>YOU ARE STANDING IN THE COLD BUT THERE IS THE CHRISTMAS FLAVOUR OF IT. SO WE LOVE IT. (*)>>Adrienne: YEAH, I MEAN, IT TOTALLY BRINGS BACK MEMORIES, NOT JUST OF MONTRÉAL. BUT IN TORONTO I REMEMBER SORT OF MEASURING MY AGE WITH THE MORE OF THE WINDOW THAT I COULD SEE DOWNTOWN. BUT IT’S AMAZING THAT THE STORES MAY NOT SURVIVE, BUT THE TRADITION DOES.>>Ian: YEAH, I WAS LOOKING AT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE OWNER THAT OGILVY HAD ALMOST A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. AND HE SAID THAT HIS STORE HAS EVERY DEVICE KNOWN AS THE PRESENT TIME FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE PUBLIC. SO THIS IS KIND OF A THROWBACK TO THAT GOLDEN ERA OF THE DEPARTMENT STORE. I HAVE BEEN GETTING TWEETS FROM PEOPLE RIGHT ACROSS THE COUNTRY, NOT JUST THOSE SIMPSON OR BAY WINDOWS HERE IN TORONTO, BUT REALLY EVERY CITY HAS — OR ALMOST EVERY CITY HAS ITS ICONIC CHRISTMAS DISPLAY.>>Adrienne: IT’S ONE OF OUR SHARED EXPERIENCES.>>Ian: THAT IS “THE NATIONAL” FOR SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 24th. GOODNIGHT.>>Adrienne: GOODNIGHT. (*)

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